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Canada Post and Union Remain Far Apart on Fundamental Issues
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Brian - 2011/06/25
Most federal gov’t union membership is mandatory. This is wrong, but was previously negotiated into existence by the union. . . go figure.
I say allow employees to select to NOT be union members without all of the hoops they must jump though. I suggest that the membership numbers would very likely be about 50% to 60 % less. . . .
Been there – done that – got the t-shirt. . . reluctantley paid my dues. . . overall the years, my total $$ of my dues, lost wages to strikes etc likely exceeded the total $$ of my benefits.
Unions love mob mentality
Baker L/C - 2011/06/24
Everyone on here saying my jobs so great & I get so much & you’d take my job & you could do it no problem & for less. Then how come you don’t have my job? How come you didn’t apply to CPC if it’s so great & you can do it?
heaterfox - 2011/06/27
Finally this is overwith….lettercarriers have a tough job no doubt about it but for gods sake stop whining…..you knew what the job entailed when you applied for it….if youcan’t do it or don’t like it anymore quit….most of the letter carriers I know work half a day and have for years so give it up
Lori - 2011/06/23
Unions are not for lazy workers…that is stereotyping. Unions are for fairness and equality.
As for people waiting for tax returns and those that haven’t eaten in 8 days (yeah okay), get a job instead of waiting for money in the mail…or maybe try to get a job at CP, at least they paid well (due to the union)…you still have to do the job though and not from your computer chair.
no-to-unions - 2011/06/23
no to Unions!
Pro-fairness - 2011/06/23
If you are not satisfied with the job conditions find another job, instead of wasting tax payers money.
Paul - 2011/06/24
It’s not taxpayers money they get the service from C P C & they get lots of things for postal workers. They get headache & stress for them everyone wants to do their job why not you people apply at canadapost.ca then come and post your comments here. Everyone thinks it’s easy go out and try please. I dare if you can do it for $
C p c - 2011/06/24
It’s not taxpayers money they get the service from C P C & they get lots of things for postal workers. They get headache & stress for them everyone wants to do their job why not you people apply at canadapost.ca then come and post your comments here. Everyone thinks it’s easy go out and try please. I dare if you can do it for $
Colette - 2011/06/23
I agree with you all, I am waiting for money me toooo and because of this strikeout I didn’t get it, it’s starting to be very rediculous………….and frustrated.
sh - 2011/06/23
that’s ok let them strike… it will just push other companies to develope software to send everything electronically!!!! so at the end of the day.. they will lose there job eventually!!
I agree with the comment that unions are for lazy workers that could never survive in the real work force!!!
Mike - 2011/06/23
So I guess Teachers , Nurse are lazy people. Maybe that explains why the kids these days are lazy. The nurse is one of first people that a baby see’s so it must pick up the laziness from them and the teachers look after everyone’s kids more then the parents so they must learn the art of laziness from them. Good comment on the laziness comment, LOL
C p c - 2011/06/24
Please make a software that can not be hack by no one. Mail is the safest way to send & receive stuff . People have no time to read. There is only one issue here that stamps are too cheap. They should raise the stamps to$.85 they will save billions of dollars from big corporations like rogers, bell Amex mastercard visa. All the banks, phone companies Costco sears shoppers drug mart they make so much money by sending so much mail it’s the cheapest way to get customers. If you think that by making a software you will get business from customer like Canada post mail . Then keep DREAMING.
luke - 2011/06/23
boooooooooo….. i have not eaten FOR 8 days because I have NO money at all waiting for my income tax return….. how can you support this? you may not be in a tight situation but many other canadians are…. think about others….
Vader - 2011/06/23
cheques in the mail but Canada post wont deliver it even after PM Harper say’s go back to work, Unions are useless. If you want more money stop paying your union dues. The longer this takes to resolve the worse it will be for the Postal Workers as someone with money and the know how will start a delivery service without a Union. Unions were good in the dark ages when employees were treat unfairly but now a days the government is involved to a point that it’s not socially acceptable to mistreat the work force, and if it’s so bad then get another Job.
NessaZee - 2011/06/27
how do you know the exact date that your tax return would arrive? the only sure way to guarantee a speedy return is to set up direct deposit. no mail necessary.
Carol - 2011/06/23
I am FRUSTRATED by all this BUREAUCRACY. My husband’s livelihood is now at stake and it is NOT funny. He is unable to get his security license renewed, which expires July 7, 2011 – by provincial government in Victoria – as they NEED his work visa. They will NOT grant us an extension. My husband’s WORK VISA was applied to be renewed on FEBRUARY 3, 2011. The Work Visa I am told FINALLY WAS issued on June 15, 2011 – wouldn’t you KNOW that was the day of the strike. The Federal Government will ONLY issue it by mail – will not email it to me will not let me send a courier, etc. etc. The BC Government WILL not provide my husband an extension. So he will lose the $60.00 he paid to renew it have to do a COMPLETE RE-APPLICATION AT DOUBLE THE cost and hope it goes through. Hopefully he won’t lose his job, but WITHOUT A LICENSE, he very well could. You ALL UNION MEMBERS should JUST BE HAPPY YOU HAVE A JOB. This has been very trying time and we all know what you get paid. Enough is enough already.
Does anyone know when the mail is due to start up again???
Thank you
sandra m - 2011/06/23
I can completly relate to you:( My husband is also waiting for his work visa. They have sent his visa allready and we have recieved it, but his access code was sent three days later, and what do you know…thats when the strike started. They cant even give him it over the phone because it is automatically printed out and sent by the computer, so a rep doesnt even see it. We want this thing settled allready!!!Give the postal workers what they want! They deserve it!!!
Debs - 2011/06/23
And most of the world says that Canadians are a peaceful nation. I guess Vancouver kind of set them straight on that so now it is ok for the rest of us to go crazy. This is like being held hostage in our own country. This is just nuts, look at the ecomemy, You all have great jobs for this day and age. I know you all work hard but so does everyone else. From flipping burgers to bussing tables. We all have to have our lives suffer because you cant accept that the ecoemy is so bad right now , you just want what ya want and you wont stop till you get it. I am disgusted.
Unions are no longer needed - 2011/06/23
I am not in a Union and I am very successful in my career. I have worked hard to get where I am and I stand out for my extra effort. The only thing unions do is protect lazy workers who would never survive without Union support.
Basem - 2011/06/23
My advice to CP is to hire new employees and fire the old ones with their amazing union. The union has some rules to play in protecting their employees, from abusive management. There are rules for the game, you have to look at the financial statements of the company and see if the situation allow that increase. If you demand more than what the company can afford, there will be lay-offs. it is the economy.
After this amazing lock-out. Canadians have learn it the hard way. They will regard CP as an unreliable way of delivering mail. So we will use other courier to deliver important mail. And leave only mail that we don’t care about for Canada Post. Most Canadians are now using electronic billing and Canada Post have lost this major segment in profit.
I am expecting CP to perform inferior to prior years in 2011. people may expect another strike or lock-out any time. With the decrease in profit, CP will be forced to downsize, loosing economies of scale. it will be forced to lay-off smart employees. The delivery will be slower hence less reliable and the cycle will go on.
My advice to other courier companies to make use of this lock-out and offer good prices for slower ( 2-3 days ) delivery, then CP will have to shut-down and CUPW will have more time to make strikes. This time they will strike save our job, save our families, save our Canadian company that has served canadians for several years but it will be too late.
Selly - 2011/06/23
I agree completely. Unions were originally put in place to protect workers’ rights. We don’t really need that anymore do we? It’s called the Labour Relations Board. Unions create more problems than they fix.
Lori - 2011/06/23
I think some of the people bashing the postal workers need to remember that the postal workers continued to work without a contract (and have rotating strikes) so YOU would still get your mail and parcels. It is the company who “locked out” the workers from performing their jobs.
Good point about unions J.C.
and No, I am not a postal worker and Yes, I do support them.
Jean M - 2011/06/23
This lockout / strike sucks. I have a check lost in the Canadian Mail system that was mailed on June 10th and is still stuck in the system. They could have at least delivered all the mail already in the system. Canadians have no idea how lucky they are their economy is still so good. Come down here to the US and you would be thrilled to have any job with pay.
Annoyed - 2011/06/23
You cannot strike and cause your company millions and not expect consequences.
Fire them all, hire new workers. This is just all come about of greed. GREED. They have a great job, with good pay and benefits. If their jobs are so terrible and miserable, perhaps they should quit and find something else. Oh wait… they can’t! Finding a job out there right now to compare with even the decreased wages/benefits that CP wants to offer new hires is nearly impossible. CP is too generous and they’re getting taken advantage of by a useless union corrupted by greed.
Confused - 2011/06/23
Stop being so babyish CP workers. go get you self another job! you have proven that you guys are very limited, so why not try loading shelves at Superstore, if you are even able for that. Get back to work and grow up! you will have to live with this for the rest of your lives (one of thoses ignorant postal workers that went on strike) ha ha may you all loose your jobs!
Informed - 2011/06/23
You’re right you’re confused!
mc - 2011/06/23
This was directed at: Get Real. I actually make more money than you, have more holidays and have an employer that treats me well. In no way did the union help, support or influence my success in my job. Education, hard work and a good work ethic did. Nobody is jealous of you we just realize that you are getting more than you deserve and holding the people that pay your bills (customers and CPC) hostage. If you don’t like the work conditions, contract, management or the job simply quit and find another career. Abolish unions they do nothing but collect money and support the worst workers.
UNSAT customer - 2011/06/23
I will never use Canada Post again, no more words to say, sorry our hard working employees
anna - 2011/06/23
no one can be happy with there jobs what about everyone else who do not have jobs get back to work and quit bitching about it.
B5 - 2011/06/23
“Get back to work ?
Really?
Is that what you will say when the government says we are returning to a 7 day 84 hour workweek?
How about if they say women dont need to receive the same pay as men?
Or, employers can use pain compliance with workers to increase productivity levels?
Yes, when we begin to simply let what we have already achieved erode for other peoples benefit, the slope gets slippery and steep.
Good luck with your mantra.
Annoyed - 2011/06/23
It’s really rather funny you refer to a slippery slope when that fallacy is all over just about every sentence of your post.
Because you know, a small reduction in wages that is STILL higher than many starting wages in other jobs, a decrease in paid sick days when many jobs do not even offer sick days… oh, and decreased benefits when many jobs do not offer any benefits is of course the same thing as physical abuse or gender stereotyping. Yeah. You enjoy your logical fallacies while a good portion of the working world would jump all over the starting wages suggested by CP.
Confuzzled - 2011/06/23
I am aware this is a lockout..not a strike…so why the picketing?? Yeah Im dumb at times lol.
If the Goverment steps in and forces Postal Workers to go back to work does this mean negotiations will still continue behind closed doors? Will the CP employees work for so long and then face another lockout?
And to those that need parcels delivered I recommend UPS, I ordered a parcel and it arrived within 24hrs aprx.
I am disabled,can not work( I had a great job, great benifits,great hours,I worked 12 hours a day 6 days a week),I have 3 college diplomas and I feel useless that I can not work,but sh&t happens and I except that.
When I was working some of my fellow employees wanted a union…it never happened. If I was still employeed I surely would be grateful that it was voted “nay” to the union, they just seem to cause more havoc to the Cp workers that want/need to work and to all other businesses/citizens that rely on Canada Post.
The only thing that bothers me about the whole thing, and this is not an attack on anyone(s), it that some companies(beleive it or not) will only accept letters/documents, etc by Canda Post. I know this because I have documents waiting to be sent, the company I am sending to said no UPS, no Fed Ex, no Faxing, we want original documents sent via Canada Post.
Anyways I hope things get worked out, I hope the CP workers and the Union can come to some sort of agreement, I even have a letter ready for my Postal Carrier for him when mail finally does get delivered(Basically thanking him for his great service),my Postal Carrier even rings my buzzer when I have too much mail to fit in my tiny apartment size mail box…I think that is very nice of him, he goes above and beyond, Kudos to you:)
Big Al - 2011/06/23
Canada Post has always been rotten at employee relations, remember the 70′s? They locked out the workers, so it’s obvious who cut off our mail.
Unions got us everything we have, even an annual holiday. Should we all support the management and lose everything we have attained in the last 150 years?
On Remembrance Day, I also remember the union members who died for our freedom. Do we want to go back to the those days? Are we supposed to put our faith in bankers and polititians?
P’eed Off - 2011/06/22
So true Anti-union, so true!!!
C R - 2011/06/22
Our society is full of people who contribute to all of us every day, from top to bottom of the chain . . . if everyone just refused to do their jobs when they didn’t like something and take down their society with them . . .Seriously people. Imagine if the union members were wearing something identifying all day every day so they could not get served food, not get gas at the pumps, not have their hair cut . . . maybe then they would see themselves as more a part of our social fabric instead of a special group that can pad their already generous government pensions and salaries by threatening the rest of us with their services. I don’t understand unions. WHY is it that we can’t give the jobs out to those that would be thrilled to have them? Honestly, how did this happen?
J.C. - 2011/06/23
Hey C R,
you made one good and accurate comment in your post:
I don’t understand unions.
That’s the problem with most people who are posting nasty negative comment on this site, they don’t know or don’t understand. That’s ok, unless you are a union activist or studies the law, it’s acceptable not to know.
I would not go post comments on an accounting website because I know nothing about it. To do so would just be voicing my uninformed opinon and would make me look ridiculous.
If Unions would not have fought, and I mean all unions this is what everyone would probably not have:
Paid annual leave
Days off
40 hour week
Medicare
Maternity leave
Sick leave
Health and Safety regulations
Bathroom break( or coffee breaks)
Worker’s Compension
Protection from harassement in the workplace
Labour Codes
Fair salary
Minimum Wage
Just to name a few. A world without people willing to go without pay for weeks or months so that everyone else can benefit from those gains, is not a world I would want to be part of. Union activist should not be villainized, they should be thanked.
B5 - 2011/06/23
WELL SAID J.C.!
These jobs fairly compensated jobs and benfits that we enjoyed are SOLEY due to workers negotiating them with the employer and not due to any benevolence on the employer’s behalf.
without a union or collective agreement, employers would very quickly revert to the absolute bare minimum. Witness Canada Post last week!
L.W. - 2011/06/23
Hey J.C
As an active union member, I DO understand unions and believe unions are no longer helpful. Union employees, myself included, make excellent wages for the work required and provide adequate benefit and pension plans. Unfortunately, there are too many members that feel they are entitled to exorbitant increases in many aspects of current contracts. Postal service should be considered an essential service and be included with medical and emergency services. Postal workers should be restricted from striking!
Basem - 2011/06/23
I agree, that the union has a role to play. But if they can’t play with fire stay away from it. I will burn you and others. Unions has to negotiate reasonable salaries and work conditions. They can’t negotiate 4 month paid vacation or 50k for a simple clerk. the economy and the financial status of the company will not allow that. Unions have a great role in protecting employees from greedy business owners and abusive management. There is always trade-offs and conflict of interests, but you have to be reasonable in your demands.
PW - 2011/06/23
All these noises is all about what is fair. The word content is not mentioned by anyone. We are not in any place to comment on what is fair and what is not, but should we be feeling contented that we are lucky to even holding a job on hand. Do we need to wait for the crisis in US to realize that a wonderful country that we are living in. Start looking around who serve you a Big Mac…..more and more foreign workers are fighting over job against our young kids and soon enough it will…move in to all hard labour jobs that require little education. We all need to be true to ourselves and determine what is the fair salary for the type of job that we each hold. After all we are selling ourselves to the company we wish to work for with a price tag attached to it. If you not happy, take the initiative to find another, this is a free world.
For the mean time, take you parents and grandparents to the bank to signed them up for the instant payments to avoid penalties and for the rest of us, we should be smart enough to use Internet for billing so what are we waiting for in the mail, nearly nothing unless you are looking forward to you junk mail.
Lock out all you want, end of the day, we have 2 big looser.
Questioning - 2011/06/23
Now that the Governement control all the thing like vacation, compensaion, min wage, etc. do you not think that unions have not out lived their usefulness? As a former HR administrator it was my job to answer to the government on certain things pertain to that so if they are watching that then why the unions????? I think that we would be okay and even save money in such that have unions because when it comes to down sizing they are not there to protect you then. My brother worked for the SK Wheat Pool in the early 2000 when they downsized and after 15 years with them he was still give a pick slip, how fair was that???? Now had there been no union would that have changed things I am not sure but just that there was was that still happened. So I ask you who does the union protect other then themselves??
PW - 2011/06/23
Union is for sure useless these days. We have all the different laws to protect us, people in union is double paying there taxes to two separate parties ( government and union ) at the end of the day, one maybe making less if they are unionized.
And again, there is no job out there that is safe regardless you are in union or not, unless you work for yourself and again even that, you need to ensure your business is making $$$ to cover your salary.
Informed - 2011/06/23
Why do you think those laws that help protect workers and gives some benefits! Because of U N I O N S! You think that employer just gave you those protections? If you do, you’re sadly mistaken. It was the sacrifices of union members. Huge sacrifices that they mad that gives Y O U your protections. Why do you think that business and gmovement is so anxious to get rid of them? Race to the bottom!
Cpc is making huge monies in profit. Corporate greed to them out. Then who do you think is next? See what’s happening overseas. We’re next. You can be sure that business will still be raking in their millions as they drive us into depression
40 hour work week?? - 2011/06/24
What’s with this whole 40 hour work week deal anyway?? 8 hours a day is not very long, & if you get paid by the hour you should welcome the extra wages… I voluntarily work about 55-60 hours a week for regular pay and I am happy to have the work and get the extra money. I would be PISSED if some giant faceless organisation starting taking money off my paycheque & only letting me work 40 hours a week!!! You union employees all need to work for a regular company for a year & see what real life is like.